Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy

by nemoniacon 8/14/2025, 4:56 PMwith 533 comments

by ryandrakeon 8/14/2025, 9:40 PM

Piracy offers:

1. Unrestricted access to an absolutely huge library of movies, music and TV shows, nearly unlimited. Certainly not limited by opaque "licensing deals" between various companies.

2. Highest resolution/bitrate/quality that was available at the time of the work's original release.

3. No arbitrary device/OS limitations.

4. Can watch/listen/download from any location on earth with sufficient bandwidth.

I didn't even mention that it's free or that there are no ads, because that's pretty much the least important attribute to me. If any company came out with a service that offered those four points, I'd probably be willing to pay a lot for it. How much? Who knows, we don't know how much this is worth because nobody is even trying to offer it.

by codedokodeon 8/14/2025, 9:11 PM

When billion dollar companies, which are praised and supported by governments, download pirated material and do not pay, why should ordinary people restrain themselves and pay? I cannot see how one can make moral arguments against piracy now. It makes no sense to pay if others are not paying and not punished for it. People also have a right to train their real neural network for free without paying.

by crooked-von 8/14/2025, 6:21 PM

To really sum it all up in one place, check out the absurdity of the official guide on where to watch the Pokemon cartoon: https://www.pokemon.com/us/animation/where-to-watch-pokemon-...

And that doesn't even actually list the movies, which are even more fragmented.

by sunrunneron 8/14/2025, 6:33 PM

"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem" -- Gabe Newell [1]

And I think he was largely correct, although the term _service_ seems like it now has to do a lot of heavy lifting as it now encompasses:

- Availability by Company

- Availability by Global Region

- Stream Quality

- Advert Policy (why does the lowest tier need to be ad supported? What am I paying for aside from being upsold?)

- Quality and availability of captions, audio description and any other media accessibility options

[1] https://www.escapistmagazine.com/valves-gabe-newell-says-pir...

by dilDDoSon 8/14/2025, 8:54 PM

I actually think pirating encourages a healthier approach to watching TV/movies. I've fully made the switch to pirating instead of subscribing to any streaming services, and it's led to me thinking more critically about what I want to spend time downloading and watching rather than just flipping mindlessly through endless amounts of readily available garbage on a streaming service.

I do still have Kanopy though, which is great for me but obviously depends on your library.

by blindriveron 8/15/2025, 4:28 AM

The only paid service I use is iTunes Movies/TV shows, because I buy them for $5 each. I have over 100 movies that I have "paid" for, knowing full well that they could be stripped from me in the future. But it's too damn convenient and works really well.

by lackoftacticson 8/14/2025, 9:02 PM

It's no longer as convenient with dozens of streaming services; the streaming bitrate is also subpar, and audio is compressed to the point it feels flat. If you want to be mindful about what you are watching, it will be really hard with Netflix, Prime, and Disney compared to your own media server. When I had a streaming subscription, I was constantly shocked by what was popular in Poland and what people were watching. It took me some time to accept that I am not their target audience.

by parpfishon 8/14/2025, 9:11 PM

i wish we could go back to a pre-streaming version of netflix.

the near-infinite library and lack of algorithmic nudging resulted in an era where i had healthy view habits. reasonable levels of screentime and VERY diverse content.

i add so many movies to my queue with the best intentions of watching them someday, but always put them off because something about staring at that endless scroll of options makes me crave something light and simple.

the disk-in-the-mail era was "remember that three-hour subtitled classic film you always said you should watch but haven't? well, today's the day you're watching it." and i always ended up being glad i did.

the streaming era is "ugh, i don't have the mental bandwidth to watch that three hour thing that's been on my queue forever. lets just rewatch some background content to zone out" and i always lament wasting hours of my life in front of the screen.

by l72on 8/14/2025, 10:08 PM

If they were willing to sell movies and tv shows WITHOUT DRM, I’d happily buy what I want and put on my Jellyfin server. I don’t pirate music because I can buy what I want on Bandcamp (and even mainstream music on apple and Amazon without drm).

But since I can’t (and you can’t even find physical media for a lot of things), I feel like I am left with no options.

I am not even trying to get stuff that is recent, as I prefer to wait, especially for tv shows, to finish its run before I decide if it is worth investing my time in.

I mostly go to the library every week and pick up movies and tv shows on Blu-ray and rip them so I can watch them on my schedule. I often delete them afterwards if I feel like they don’t have replay value.

I think Jellyfin also provides a much better interface than any of the streaming apps, and I like to be able to know if I am going to watch them on my theatrical version or some extended version.

by oulu2006on 8/15/2025, 2:42 AM

Never left bittorrent.

I really wanted to embrace streaming services, prime really killed me recently, with introducing ads into a membership that I already pay for! and 90% of movies on prime I have to pay an extra 20 bucks to view ...why am i paying for membership?

by bawolffon 8/14/2025, 9:00 PM

Black markets are usually the result of failed markets, and i think its no different here. Copyright is a monopoly so there is no competition. Sure different streaming services compete with each other, but they essentially sell different products. It'd be like if only one resturant was allowed to sell hamburgers. There might be other resturants but they arent really in direct competition.

by WrongOnInterneton 8/14/2025, 9:28 PM

I've always chosen piracy for the privacy. I don't need a bunch of services building a profile on my viewing habits and tastes, then sharing that data with other businesses and governments. If I want a recommendation, I'll ask a friend, not an algorithm.

by bee_rideron 8/14/2025, 9:24 PM

I know this is pedantic but it is so annoying: downloading shows is not piracy. It is totally nuts to conflate unauthorized copying and sharing with the violent act of going on somebody’s boat and killing/threatening them until you loot their stuff.

Calling it piracy was funny during the early Internet when it was all pirate and ninja memes. But really letting them conflate this very minor crime with violence was a big propaganda loss.

by neveson 8/14/2025, 6:19 PM

For me worse than the can't pay is the lack of options. In the VHS time I had more good movie options than in the current streaming services. I remember when I bing watched Kurozawa or Mario Monicelli's movies. Now it's very hard to find non American cinema. The tech is there, but the System fail us.

by freehorseon 8/15/2025, 3:08 AM

My most annoying experience has been some providers blocking VPNs. I pay for an account, I log in with my account, I use a vpn with ip in the country I made the account with and use my account, and still I am blocked. I don't want to stop my vpn just for the sake of streaming, I would rather pirate the content.

A second one is subtitles. Somehow the streaming services decides which subtitles I need and which I don't.

It is funny how we went from pirating content being normalised, then being frown upon, and now getting normalised again.

by aggregator-ioson 8/14/2025, 7:22 PM

The streaming landscape is now terrible and no different than the incumbent CATV providers that it sought to replace. In 2011, streaming services were the hotness because CATV subscriptions were expensive. In 2011, people were subscribing to 1-2 or 2-3 services because they were all less than $10USD/month. That was still 10x cheaper than the alternative.

However, 15 years later, those numbers exceed or are the same as CATV costs combined with all the streaming/smart device headaches.

All we did was change the pipe. The providers didn't change except for consolidation and erosion of policy, both of which lead to worse outcomes for consumers.

by slyboton 8/14/2025, 9:21 PM

Recently, I also switched to Jellyfin. I still have access to Netflix and Disney through family plan. The service problem was the quality issue. I have the Ultra plan's while Netflix keep pushing SD (due to Widevine certificates). Simply cannot stand watching 480p on WQHD+ screen. For the content I have legitimate access, but cannot get good service, I don't consider it pirating.

by vhandaon 8/14/2025, 6:15 PM

All streaming services should have a pay per minute system as an alternative to the fixed monthly subscription.

That way, I'd happily use any service to watch whatever cause it would be convenient, instead of piracy.

And it would be a reason for them to really improve their recommendation systems.

by zamadatixon 8/14/2025, 10:29 PM

This mirrors my experience as well. I used to pirate everything, it was relatively inconvenient to get the exact thing you wanted on physical media. Then streaming, Steam, and app stores came about. I pivoted 100%, it was sooo much more convenient than trying to find legitimate and quality copies of content and managing a set up to do so.

Then the streaming side started to fragment a bit, but I just grabbed all of the subscriptions (HBO, Hulu, YouTube, Netflix, etc). It was getting a bit iffy on value, but at least it was still convenient. Now it's just ridiculously _in_convenient. Search around to see which service might have the thing you're actually trying to watch and use this device with this app to get a decent quality version of the content delivered, all while hoping it doesn't force automatic quality "for your benefit". With Steam it's a bit less severe, but it did reach the "and the games you want are split across 5 services in exclusivity" and "DRM is getting to be an extreme pain on some of these" stages.

by WarOnPrivacyon 8/15/2025, 4:16 AM

I pay for Netflix and Prime. I pirate their content for the better viewing experience.

by awaymazdacx5on 8/15/2025, 4:03 AM

Like the acquisition of Turner Classics Movies that was the basis for the Criterion Collection.

Transmission is peer-to-peer, being the ping to distributions hosting positivities.

by paczkion 8/15/2025, 3:47 AM

Last night I rented the movie Sinners off of Google play and was beyond incredibly annoyed that the playback was 720p the entire time in chrome and Firefox, on both Linux and windows. I honestly feel like I got ripped off, and I got that 10 dollar Google gift card for free.

by Yhippaon 8/15/2025, 3:51 AM

Let's say I haul out my CD's I never got rid of over the past 30 years and my DVD's from the 2000's. I can still legally rip them, right?

If I took those ripped copies and wanted to stream them, what would be the best platform to do that?

by OhMeadhbhon 8/15/2025, 4:09 AM

  "" What's the point of robbery when nothing is worth taking?
  == Stuart Leslie Goddard

by jwrallieon 8/15/2025, 3:57 AM

I tried to watch some series on Prime the other day and they shoved 3 advertisements in one episode, then wanted to charge by extra to remove them.

by temporallobeon 8/15/2025, 1:13 AM

It’s not necessarily driving me to piracy, rather disengagement because the aggressive and deceptive practices have become abusive. For example, I pay for Disney+/Hulu and tried to watch Fargo (the series) and finally gave up after being constantly interrupted with the same exact unksippable ads every 10 minutes. With YouTube Premium, it seems like every streamer just switched to “sponsored content” to get around the no-ad experience. It’s very disappointing and just causes me to lose interest.

by hk1337on 8/14/2025, 9:21 PM

As with most things, I think we leaned in too hard to streaming services.

Part of the appeal of streaming services back then was being able to cherry pick what you wanted so you only paid for what you actually wanted to watched.

Because of how fragmented all the shows are, people sign up for multiple streaming services just to watch the shows the want to watch, and then wish for everything to be bundled together...again. Also, each streaming service charges a hefty premium compared to what you're actually getting, so it's not as worth the money.

by maxgluteon 8/14/2025, 8:37 PM

I spent last few days chasing down a Bravo/peacock show from outside the US trying to watch legally, only to find it on watchseries and realize how good the experience has gotten. It's not even released on torrents or nzb. Watchseries UI is kind of peak now. Nuts. Does anyone know how Watchseries manage to stay up?

by taraindaraon 8/14/2025, 8:49 PM

I still have streaming services, mostly because my family uses them. I’m slowly getting back into the self hosted ways. But it’s also pushing me to just stop watching altogether. I’m finding better ways to spend my time than in front of a tv. Or rather, I guess I’m spending it more behind a computer screen. Haha

by not_your_vaseon 8/14/2025, 5:51 PM

About 10 years ago Netflix became available in the country where I was living back then. I was very excited about it, I was on their email list for years, waiting for the announcement. As I got the email that they are available, after work literally the first thing I did was to grab my credit card, and subscribe.

I found 4-6 movies I wanted to watch, but when I saw that they had Godfather 1 and 3 without 2, I had a good laugh. Then I watched all the Archer episodes they had, and tried to find something interesting for 2 more days before I cancelled my (still trial) account.

Though I stopped watching movies some years ago, until than I used to watch them on the same old pre-netflix way.

Of course I have heard that they have spent many billions on content since then, I'm sure they have some interesting stuff... but that came way too late for me.

Maybe I'm getting old, lol

by jimt1234on 8/14/2025, 10:32 PM

Thank God for VLC, the greatest app ever created!

https://www.videolan.org/vlc/

by wslhon 8/15/2025, 4:25 AM

I'm just training LLMs with datasets retrieved over multiple peer-to-peer protocols.

by Animatson 8/14/2025, 9:12 PM

We need to shorten copyright just so that the classics stay available online.

50 years from first publication. No more.

by wltron 8/14/2025, 9:50 PM

Oh, I have a question to all of the people who pirate but live in a country where that’s illegal and punished (with huge fines, I assume). I’m very interested in listening to some stories of how it’s technically done (vpn, a seedbox, or you just keep things simple and don’t care). E.g. I’ve been trying sophisticated backlists of IPs, but I have no idea whether they work. But even more I am interested in a legal aspect, meaning how serious these copyright claims are. Do you know anyone personally, who was punished for downloading a TV show? Which country? Personally, I know many folks who do, but none who was fined.

by YesBoxon 8/14/2025, 9:06 PM

Tip: Watch Cartoons Online (search it)

Great place to stream cartoons and anime for free, no account. It feels like they have almost everything, as I found anime as far back as the 1970s on there.

When I discovered Food Wars was split between two streaming platforms, I hoisted the sails.

by Copernicronon 8/14/2025, 11:10 PM

There are a couple different streaming services that I subscribe to for different reasons but it gets harder to keep doing it.

CBC Gem - free public broadcaster, but I want to remove ads

Shudder - $50/year, cheap as chips

Netflix - cheapest way to watch WWE pay-per-views live

Crave - got a year for 50% off on a Black Friday deal. I don't know if I'll renew

TSN - only during hockey and football season

AppleTV - wouldn't subscribe separately, but they throw it in with my Apple One family plan

Honestly my Jellyfin server sees more action than any of them. The biggest reason to pay for streaming is live events, which I believe is why Netflix is pushing to get more into them. And I've been increasingly annoyed at how many things I want to watch are simply not available at all, or not available without subscribing to yet another service in the hopes they might have it. I'm planning a Sergio Leone spaghetti western binge. The only place I found what I wanted was usenet.

by ak217on 8/14/2025, 11:16 PM

> Spotify

> “enshittification” of streaming

I've been a happy paying Spotify user since 2010 or so. I'm still mostly happy with what I get out of it... they did try to shove podcasts down people's throats, but backed off pretty quickly. One thing that recently infuriated me though, was something they call "smart shuffle". Like, you press shuffle on your playlist, it starts shuffling. You press it again, it should turn off the shuffle, and just keep playing in order, right? Not according to Spotify's amazing designer team. With Spotify it's a tri-state switch. If you press it again, it activates a "smart shuffle" which has nothing to do with shuffling, instead it adds extra suggestions to your playlist.

There is a way to turn this "feature" off on mobile, and they've been promising a way to turn it off on desktop for many months now. As a paying user, being treated like an idiot this way definitely makes me resentful and is the most enshittified thing I've seen Spotify do.

by Waterluvianon 8/14/2025, 10:29 PM

Now more than ever before, for me, it’s exclusively because of UX and not price.

The most recent example: every Star Trek (TNG, Voyager, etc) on Netflix simply doesn’t work on my Chromecast.

After a minute the video goes all screwy, split 1/3 across the screen and loses half its colour. But this doesn’t happen with Plex.

by rustystumpon 8/14/2025, 11:59 PM

This is true but also because most streaming services tech is doodoo butter.

For example, i wanted to watch the new south park season. I get paramount plus. It doesnt work on smart tv app. Ok fine shouldnt be using that anyways, hook up laptop. Still doesnt work. Use a different adapter and still doesn’t work. Airplay from phone, that works but i dont want to give up phone and website has major jank.

5s google search later and i am streaming on the 7 seas from smart tv browser.

To be fair, netflix is almost always solid. The rest are glitchy, slow, janky piles of dung.

by monster_truckon 8/14/2025, 8:31 PM

I was trying to watch The Big Short the other night, after checking 7 streaming websites I came to my senses and downloaded the 4k rip off the pirate bay

I was trying to put on a show for background noise this morning. Just two nights ago I was able to sign in with my cable provider and watch it. Now it's telling me there's a network (as in the channel the network is on) authorization error, customer support can't tell me why it doesn't work and they are not authorized to issue me a credit.

So I pirated that too.

And what the fuck is up with Netflix? Why do I have to install a browser extension to hide the games? I don't want games I want to watch The Big Short.

by jmward01on 8/14/2025, 11:30 PM

I remember when netflix had the dvd by mail option and you could get basically anything that way. It was amazing. Even the local blockbuster had way more available than today's streaming services. I watched way more then. Now I watch almost nothing and only have a single streaming service because the family wants one...and doesn't watch much on it. We are loosing access because of the thing that promised us instant access to everything.

by godzillabrennuson 8/14/2025, 6:55 PM

I started buying Blu-ray discs and ripping them to my computer, where I run Plex. Why? I had a long-time subscription to HBO Max, but a few years ago, I went to watch Westworld, and it was gone from HBO. I ended up buying a season on Apple for the price of a monthly subscription to HBO. I cancelled my HBO subscription. I realized that second-hand Blu-ray discs of shows were selling for dirt cheap. I spent $40 to buy the rest of the seasons of Westworld on Blu-ray.

Clearly, new shows aren't getting Blu-ray releases, so this won't work for you if you care about new shows. My wife and I are so over the dystopian view from modern science fiction that we started focusing on shows from the late 1900s (80s/90s) to get more of a positive outlook from our entertainment. We are now going through Stargate SG-1.

by can16358pon 8/14/2025, 9:52 PM

I rarely watch something off Netflix. And when I watch something I love watching in highest quality (4K HDR if available). If they'd let me pay-as-I-watch I'd be happy to do so, but I don't want to pay every month for a service I rarely use, and sometimes never for a few months.

Another reason is availability. Apple TV+, for some reason, isn't available in my country. I've heard great thing about Severance which is available only there. I can't legally watch it even if I were to pay it. I'd have to pirate it if I want to watch it.

by Alex_L_Woodon 8/14/2025, 9:52 PM

My pet peeve is when streaming services only allow me to watch something in the language of the country I live in. I'm sorry, but why? Why would I want to watch a 1988 movie with horrible German dub?

by o0banky0oon 8/14/2025, 7:07 PM

A useful distinction is that upload is piracy and download is not.

by stargrazeron 8/14/2025, 10:46 PM

I wouldn't have minded the newly inserted ads in Netflix or Prime Video. But they just throw the ads in during mid-sentence. Are they putting ads in using a random number generator? What happened to the accepted practice of putting in ads where they natural break occurs? It really throws out the flow of the moment. Major irritation. You know, how TV and Cable typically have done it.

by panarchyon 8/14/2025, 10:09 PM

Streaming services surprised that customers left them like they left cable TV for them once they turned into cable TV.

by herpdyderpon 8/15/2025, 1:54 AM

I recently started buying physical media and sticking it all on JellyFin. It’s been great!

by scheeseman486on 8/14/2025, 11:38 PM

I used to subscribe to every major streaming service, about 8 of them all up. As the prices increase and their libraries dwindle in size, they've been dropping one by one. Currently it sits at 4.

Plus my usenet subscription.

by jbireron 8/14/2025, 5:44 PM

My main issue is that they're now slowly testing the waters to see if they can make you watch ads while still paying for the subscription, and at that point, might as well take advantage of Romania's lack of law enforcement and hit the torrent websites.

by privatelypublicon 8/14/2025, 10:50 PM

My decision on this matter was made when MGM kept running the "ok, who wants SG-1 exclusivity this year?" Gauntlet.

I have to wonder if Amazon bought them just to stop playing the game. (I doubt it)

by WalterBrighton 8/14/2025, 11:34 PM

I canceled my AppleTV subscription because every show I wanted to watch required me to "buy" it. But I already paid for the subscription!!

by jdprgmon 8/15/2025, 12:19 AM

Netflix has gone to almost complete shit over the past few years. One of the things that really stood out as a strange choice for them considering their long term status as the "tech" innovator coming for media has been segmenting plans on resolution. I don't understand why they don't want to always put their best foot forward especially considering I assume bandwidth is always getting cheaper? And we seem upper bounded by 4k for the foreseeable future.

by tloganon 8/14/2025, 9:22 PM

I just want to give one more example. I wanted to watch “Just Beyond” (2021 Disney), but it’s impossible to find anywhere. So what am I supposed to do?

by _0ffhon 8/14/2025, 9:15 PM

It's nice to see some good news now and then.

by system2on 8/14/2025, 9:20 PM

Luckily search engines like Yandex.com provide the easiest way to find unusual streaming sites. Using AdBlock saves us from the pop-ups and weird ads. If Netflix goes back to $9 per month with every show in existence, I will reconsider them. Until then, these streaming sites will continue to exist and thrive.

by duxupon 8/14/2025, 6:40 PM

I think a lot of the services competed themselves into a pricing corner with low subscription costs.

Now the audience is used to that pricing and doesn't like pricing relative to the price of the content.

by djfobbzon 8/14/2025, 10:44 PM

Oh, this one's spicy! Looks like the industry goons are back out with their swords.

by dabber21on 8/14/2025, 9:08 PM

Instead of making their shows exclusive they should make them time exclusive (1 year?) then sell a license

by revlolzon 8/14/2025, 10:24 PM

Pay a bunch of money to Disney+ to watch any popular release and get terrible streaming quality and functionality. It makes complete sense to me why consumers would toss their hands up and find better and more accessible options.

by billy99kon 8/14/2025, 9:20 PM

I suppose you can't really complain when big tech pirates your IP to be used with AI.

by ModernMechon 8/14/2025, 6:49 PM

Yeah, because you pay for the thing and you still can't watch it!

Last year they brought Andor to Hulu and every time I played it on my brand new LG TV, the video would be completely green while I could hear the audio underneath. It only happened to Andor because apparently they had some super special DRM, which ostensibly would restrict people who weren't authorized from viewing it, but had the effect of also preventing authorized people from viewing as well. So in the end, they can't even satisfy willing customers who have their wallets open. Of course they're going to turn to piracy.

Of course, the rights holders got my money and as far as they're concerned, their DRM move was great for the bottom line.

by crinklyon 8/14/2025, 6:45 PM

Screw streaming. I bought a smart TV a few years back. Services discontinued within 3 years. No external commercial streaming boxes work because of HDCP issues. Back to piracy until the TV gives up. Streamers and smart TV people, you had your chance and you blew it. I'm not paying through the nose any more.

by lbritoon 8/14/2025, 11:43 PM

If there were an expensive but good service that aggregated the major networks - sorry, I mean, streaming services - then I'd pay for it. But managing 3-4 subscriptions is dumb.

Also the Linux experience for every streaming service typically sucks because of DRM, capping resolution to 720p.

by ratelimitsteveon 8/14/2025, 9:24 PM

I pay for a pirate streaming site. It's nice, it has everything, it works, nothing ever gets memory-holed, I don't ever have to sign up for a different service to watch something because it got swapped in the middle of my binge, what I can watch doesn't depend on where they guess I am, I can access over a VPN, they have a support staff that actually listens to me and implements features users ask for, and I can download things to watch later drm-free. This isn't a money problem, as evidenced by the fact that I pay to steal. It's a product problem. I pay for this because their product is better and I want it to continue to exist.

by wat10000on 8/15/2025, 2:44 AM

What’s really amazing is the contrast with music.

Music has figured it out. I subscribe to one of the major services. In exchange for my money, I get access to music. For my purposes, I get access to effectively all music from that one service. When I want music, I open that app and play it. End of story. If I don’t like that service for some reason, I can pick a different one.

Obviously, the logistics for long-form video are not exactly the same. But still, surely this is possible.

by tkz1312on 8/14/2025, 9:54 PM

is buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing :)

by buyucuon 8/14/2025, 6:51 PM

Having multiple streaming accounts just to watch a couple of shows I like is such an unnecessary hassle. It's much more easier just to pirate.

by pmdron 8/14/2025, 9:04 PM

Is it? NFLX is at an all-time high right now.

by nulloremptyon 8/15/2025, 2:53 AM

The biggest issue yet is paying for stuff that pushes woke crap on you.

by wslhon 8/14/2025, 10:25 PM

One friend, who is a film enthusiast, told me that he doesn't understand why there aren't more titles on the streaming services vs. the scale of albums on Spotify. He often download old and new movies via Torrent.

by mulmenon 8/15/2025, 1:24 AM

Gabe Newell is still right. Piracy is a service problem.

by more_cornon 8/15/2025, 12:05 AM

When content owners get too bossy their fans rebel, but keep in mind that pirates are also the largest buyers of licensed content. The pirates contribute monetarily but also serve as a warning that the pendulum has swung too far. When things get too tight piracy serves as a pressure release and a signal to loosen up.

by easweeon 8/14/2025, 10:01 PM

Driving back???

by kjkjadksjon 8/14/2025, 6:08 PM

All of these streaming services have started cracking down on family and friend account sharing to game their stock price. Turns out kicking off the broke college students doesn’t lead to them signing up for ~$80/mo. smattering of streaming services.

by russellbeattieon 8/14/2025, 11:01 PM

I am absolutely astounded by the pirate streaming sites for a bunch of reasons.

First, I'm amazed that they exist at all. I don't understand how they do it for both legal and monetary reasons. Serving thousands of gigabytes of video daily cannot be cheap! And their domains continue to stay active despite what I'm sure is legal barrage from rights holders.

Second, the UX of these sites is better than any commercial service, hands down (as long as you use an ad blocking browser or VPN). The GUIs are super clean and provide all the features you'd want: Sortable lists, the ability to search how you like, clickable links for actor, director, year, etc. to get a list of just those shows, links to Trailers on YouTube, constantly updated new releases carousel and more. And again, this is content that's streamed straight to your browser - no torrenting or external downloading, etc. Just tap and watch.

Third, as mentioned in the article, the pirate sites have a catalog of every video and TV show/series you can imagine. Just about anything that's ever been on physical media or streamed, it's there. Every time I read about how such and such show or movie is unavailable on any streaming platform because of licensing disputes or other reasons, I go check my preferred pirate streaming video site and it's always there.

Bonus: There are live streaming sites as well dedicated to sports. Everything from BBC Olympics coverage to subscription only Soccer/Baseball/NFL etc.

Bonus 2: If you're impatient or too broke to see a newly released movie in theaters, decent quality cam recordings always appear within a day or so, and are replaced when the original is published.

Seriously, if any company were to provide the same level of service, they could charge tons of cash for it and have millions of subscribers. They're that good.

Again though, how do these sites exist!? Where is the data stored? How is the bandwidth paid for? Who is updating the sites daily with new content? So many questions.

by jihadjihadon 8/14/2025, 6:30 PM

My thing is that we are expected to pay in perpetuity for the privilege of accessing content. It's rent, and it is just tiresome.

Yes I understand that we have content available on far more devices than 30 years ago, when all we had was the TV in the living room. But should I have to pay in perpetuity to show my kids Moana?

by downrightmikeon 8/14/2025, 10:04 PM

All streaming services should just interoperate, Give me access to everything, and just charge based on title to who ever has it.

by DyslexicAtheiston 8/14/2025, 9:56 PM

i for I, ... quit Netflix and Prime (and deleted AirBNB and UBER) because they are US companies, and second ... all of what ryandrake said https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44906021

by aussieguy1234on 8/14/2025, 9:49 PM

In the end, people will use what is easiest to use.

The entertainment industries are going to need to come up with a solution fast.

If they can't find a way to make it so that you can sign up once and get all the content you need, they are screwed.

I cancelled Netflix years ago when they started blocking VPNs, limiting me to their extremely limited Australian library.

by seanyon 8/14/2025, 9:38 PM

Back?

by mrandishon 8/14/2025, 11:36 PM

For our household, it's not even the cost or inconvenience of streaming services. It's that their constant A/B testing optimization seems to be leading them to actively shovel content we're less interested in at us, thus making it harder to find the little they have we are actually interested in. I'd be fine paying Netflix $20 a month to conveniently discover and watch the one or two things a month they have which I actually want to watch. But they seem convinced they must get me to watch more than a dozen things a month or I might cancel. So they use dark patterns to hide what things are and try to trick me into watching things I probably won't like very much. I guess that's why they replaced edited trailers with non-representative clips, choose misleading thumbnails and feature vague descriptions. Here are the sites I use to find which content is actually new, see an accurate description and watch a real edited trailer.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/browse/movies_at_home/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/browse/tv_series_browse/

Note: Use the filters at the top to select the networks and streamers you have access to as well as your genre and rating prefs. They'll be stored in a cookie.

Using Netflix's own program guide, I keep watching less and less on Netflix because I can't easily get a sense of what anything is and value my time a lot more than $20/mo. And now I'm seriously thinking of canceling after being a sub since the discs-by-mail days because they're actively making it harder to identify IF I really will like something before watching it - and wasting my time is the one thing certain to make me cancel. I remember back when Netflix was running contests to optimize their recommendation algo to be as close to psychic as possible. I'd seriously pay more for a service that was that psychic about my preferences but also honest enough to occasionally say "Hey, sorry but this month we've got nothing you're really gonna like, so out of respect for your time, come back next month when we'll have two movies we're 91.5% sure you're gonna love."

Based on what Netflix is doing, I assume I have a significantly higher bar for content quality and fit to my prefs than most of their viewers, that I value my limited entertainment time more highly and I have much lower tolerance for content which isn't a fit. I'm not very price sensitive and I don't judge a streaming service's value on hours consumed but rather on the quality, suitability and convenience of finding the content I do watch. I'm also unusual in that if I'm watching media, I am 100% focused on it with no distractions and never have a second screen active - I guess that's one reason my quality bar is so high. This also makes me hate when they "stretch" content for longer running times, like padding three hours worth of tight story into eight hours of glacially slow script. I find myself increasingly 'self-editing' by skipping forward past scenes that should have been edited out. To me, just ONE really good thing which respects my time and that I didn't have to hunt for is worth far more than a dozen unknown things with a hit/miss ratio that averages to "meh".

by nativeiton 8/15/2025, 1:11 AM

My decision had nothing at all to do with affordability, and everything to do with monopolistic capitalism. That said, most of my family media server’s content came from legit purchases, and most of the piracy came from those legit purchases being anchored to some idiotic DRM or unnecessary gatekeeping.

by gdsdfeon 8/15/2025, 12:04 AM

Honestly it's much cheaper to just pay for a VPN and setup a homelab ... And the best of all : no damn ads!

by ninetyninenineon 8/15/2025, 2:00 AM

Why do people try to justify theft? That’s what I’m expecting to see in all the comments here. Like everyone is trying to somehow spin the whole situation into some story that makes their act of theft morally correct.

Don’t get me wrong. I pirate my self. But I’m honest about it. It’s theft. I steal because I’m a cheap ass thief. Why can’t you admit that about yourself?

If someone makes their product annoying and hard to access that’s really their free will and desire. Enshittification is not a crime. When you choose to pirate that work you’re doing something morally unethical.

Yet every pirate here tries to justify it. Just admit it.