It's simply irresponsible for the EU to depend so heavily on the US for sovereign-critical activities
I don't think OVH is anywhere near the level of AWS/GCP/Azure in terms of the quality of the infrastructure and networking. They seem to cut all the corners they can cut in pursuit of lower prices. They built a data center out of wood, with no fire suppression, and it burned down, taking businesses with it: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/ovhclouds-dat...
This is a direct result of the current administration's overt animosity with Europe and every other democratic nation. EU saw that the tech CEOs are cozying up to him and probably it as a direct sign that they will be bend the knee and do whatever is asked of them. It is enough motivation to move things out. Wonder how many more countries follow suit. At the very least countries that don't have the resources/infra will want to diversify, may be.
I wonder if the US tech execs are going to start regretting cosying up to the trump admin. The US is soon to isolate itself, and take them along with it which is essentially soon to be their own fault.
Im very happy to finally see this happen. It's so dangerous to centralize our digital services in the United States.
This is something we're [1] seeing a lot of interest in. I wouldn't say it is the driving factor, but it is a driving factor that's giving quite a lot of companies the incentive to finally push the 'Leave AWS (et al)' button.
Even so, two of the major hurdles we see companies facing are:
1. Skills/Training/Hiring – Converting a staff of engineers familiar with AWS/Azure/etc to a new provider isn't necessarily straightforward.
2. Migration & disruption – Untangling one's integration with AWS/Azure/etc, finding and testing replacement services, planning the migration, executing on the migration. All this can cause disruption and delays in actually working on what's important.
What we do is provide multi-AZ bare-metal Kubernetes deployments onto EU providers (we default to Hetzner, but are flexible, and can do on-prem). As part of this we: a) include monthly DevOps engineering time dedicated to each client, and b) handle the migration planning and execution.
We're really trying to help companies (particularly SMEs & startups) make the jump. We try to mitigate the skills issue by providing actual engineers integrated with your team. We try to minimise the disruption by handling the migration in parallel to ongoing development cycles/sprints.
If anyone wants to know more you can reach me at adam@ domain. I hope this was interesting and not too much of a pitch.
[1]: https://lithus.eu
Once I made an account at OVHcloud and decided to rent a server for 400 EUR/mo. My request was rejected, stating that I should try renting cheaper servers first for a few months, before my account would be allowed to rent more powerful machines.
Yes! All they need to do is start somewhere. Pick a thing and move it into the EU. Then do the next thing. They will see it is possible.
This will happen eventually as all US business are in the process of being de-facto nationalized puppets of the regime's will.
Anyone have experience with OVH's VPS [1]? The prices seem to be close to Hetzner, cheaper than DigitalOcean but how is the reliability?
I simply can't understand how, for anything critical, can anybody rely on somebody that makes Microsoft Teams and Windows 11. It sounds like the EU is getting a little bit of common sense.
Why OVH?
It's one of the biggest hosting companies in the world (probably the biggest in Europe) but it doesn't have exactly the best reputation.
Hey lets lock ourselves into a different cloud solution.
What happened to organisations being the sovereign entities not national tied clouds?
I understand the sentiment but would lay money on them being on MS, Google, or AWS within 5 years.
Isn't OVH Canada-based? I try to dig into who is the counterparty for important documents (like a DPA) and it was all mostly the Canadian corporation. Of course, that's still better than US, but not truely European
Another lesson to be learned is not to put all your bread in 1 basket. They should disperse between all the European providers listed and not just with OVHcloud. Like that’s the entire premise of a network.
Presumably US-centric reactions to this stuff on other social media is 100% consistently "lol EU", other than when I'm fired up enough to make a late stage Americana quip. (Ex. This morning, buncha nonsense making fun of Macron tweet re: EU should buy France fighter jets turns to lolol omg the Frenchie surrender monkey is selling war)
As a US citizen, I'd like to thank any of you imposing costs on us for how intellectually lazy & stupid we've gotten en masse. Reality intruding over and over and over is the only way things start getting better.
Wouldn’t it be great if this finally breaks the Microsoft stranglehold. We could pop open the champagne and toast to liberté égalité and digital sovereignty ;)
There is also EU's GAIA-X project which is meant to build a federated, interoperable, and sovereign European cloud framework
I guess Microsoft walking around with its flap open and dangling Azure's masterkey hasn't helped either.
They should switch to self-hosting instead.
OVH is even worse than Azure
I used OVH years ago when "the cloud" wasn't a thing. Always super reliable. Always super pro. You love to see good competition in this type of market.
Isn't hetzner EU based?
Buy OVH? Opinions? Price to revenue 2.6. pe quite high about 150
They should - more competitors will bring the price down.
Many European companies will follow.
trump has probably cost the big US hosts 100s of billions. no one can trust them going forward
What a giant mistake to make this public.
(I'm not referring to Euractiv but to whoever the sourve is).
They have nothing to gain and only gave a heads-up to Microsoft.
OVH is not comparable to Azure... at all.
Does OVH have intune-like service? Cloud DBs? Office 365 runs on Azure.
While we're at this, I also want to add that it's an absolute travesty that a company like SAP has stopped offering onprem licenses and is now hosting their stuff only on AWS, GCP or Azure (and pushing hard for it).
I've once tried to get a VPS from OVH and my account was immediately blocked after trying to pay for it with my debit card based on who knows what reason. My card has never been rejected before. The helpdesk didn't tell me the reason saying "they don't have access to that information" (ridiculous) and I could try uploading scans of my ID to their system. They said it as if they weren't sure themselves on what I should do. Thank you, but no. I would never host anything on OVH. There are other much better hosting providers in Europe.
Is it time to renegotiate contracts? It'd be a good move to bully your way into more favorable pricing anyways.
This is great. While i dont agree with the vast majority of conservative viewpoints, a nation investing in itself is definitely something we need more of
People might raise the point that these native tech service providers arent as mature as the american giants. But that maturity can only be acheived through healthy local consumption. Once the EU uses them, and makes it lucrative for local competition to pop up, then they will rise to the challenge. This is great