I've already been living this life for half a decade, since my PC's motherboard only supports up to Windows 10 v1909 for some reason. No idea why or what component could be the cause, but the later updates indeed fail to install and automatically roll back to v1909 when I try. They eventually updated the product page to mention it: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10SAE (at the very bottom)
> Note: Win 10 OS can't support beyond 19H2 version
Verdict: It's been actually amazing, and I had forgotten how much I love having a computer that never decides that it's acceptable to interrupt my workspace because it knows better than me. Anyone who wants to tell me to BE AFRAID is welcome to come haxx0r my Gibson and make me believe, otherwise I'll happily keep using this garbage forever ;)
This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended support contract to continue using Windows 10, but unless it's for specific equipment that has a PC connected to it we've been told to get rid of them.
Windows 10 LTSC + massgrave. Fuck 'em. I'm not ready to throw my Z440 in the trash yet.
And I don't want anything to do with windows 11, even LTSC at the moment.
>Instead, they made some arbitrary reason to deprecate "old" hardware
The criteria was based on hardware mitigation support for Meltdown and Spectre patches. Because at the time those vulnerabilities could be exploited by executing malicious javascript in a browser to steal passwords
Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.
53% of all Windows PCs https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desk...
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is supported until 2032, thankfully.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise...
I'd love it if manufacturers would unlock the BIOS of business-grade laptops when Windows 10 ends, but I don't have any hope. Two of my laptops will just.. die, as I can't install Linux on them.
I guess I'm going to have to put in effort to tame W11 into submission the way I did 10, but I'm not looking forward it - I honestly rarely have a need for it these days.
someone needs to push Debian desktop or one of the derivatives...maybe a publicity blitz by PopOS or something
we replaced most of the machines in our office. There are 2 our finance person didn't want to replace, so we used the install check bypass for Win11, those employees don't really do much on those computers anyway...
I'm having a lot of luck "upgrading" Windows 10 Pro to 11 24H2 on "unsupported" PCs with the setup command line arguments: setup.exe /Product Server /Compat IgnoreWarning
I'm sure an update will break the machines, down the road, but for now it's letting me eek a little more life out of some machines.
Will professional hardware sellers still be allowed to sell valid W10 licenses with computers or not? Because in the "refurb" space, there are a whole lot of computers that cannot run W11 due to graphic card requirements.
Linux has no viable solution for developing Windows Forms applications in C# with debugging and Edit-and-continue support. There's Visual Studio running in a VM, and that's it.
that's one way to reduce ewaste I'm working on
pretty basic stuff till now:
but hoping it will work out
Not enough has been done to clamp-down on engineered obsolescence. Also, the customer's right to choose a product they already purchased. You get a mix of 3 years, 5 years, 10 years of support on any given OS now. Sometimes buying the hardware right before upgrade time, and having to deal with the crapware they load when they upgrade.
They use legalese now to say you are leasing the software, using with conditions, etc, but they love pulling the rug from under users now, and replacing it with an often-inferior product. This user-hostile mentality has been this way for consumer computers since they were created.
And managing Microsoft's hand of greed at the IT level sucks, too. Don't get me started on how "Microsoft Copilot" magically appeared on every windows machine in the world and starting using CPU cycles.
And the OP is right to install working software on old hardware as a reaction. It's a natural reaction. Ubuntu freed a lot of my old hardware. Gaming still sucks on Linux though.
If we mandated keeping things around a baseline OS a little longer, the need for foreign electronics could reduce in the short-term. Maybe it could offset those dumb tariff we're all paying for a little. Just mandate support for current OSes we have for the next four years at least while we wait for the economic tantrum to leave office.
Why buy three new PCs when you think they can still run fine? Just buy the updates if you want to keep your old computer running securely.
Or don't if you're okay with taking the risk. It's not like Windows 10 stops working the day free support runs out.
What do you think about running Windows 10 in a VM after EOL? For example, I have special accounting software I run in a VM a few times per month, on my Linux desktop. Are there any special considerations I should be aware of?
The greatest moment for my underpowered Windows Vista homeserver was when Vista went EOL and I never had to reboot it again to install the updates, which was always a very scary task.
What was the point in inventing the universal Turing machine if we then just arbitrarily gate it again? Computers were supposed to be different.
Hoping to get some cheap hardware out of this.
Here is a fun quiz - what you think are the best features windows obtained after 7 (and 7 main feature was - is not Vista)? Windows store/apps are terrible, the online integration in the start menu is a torment. Cortana/copilot are useless at best. File search is absurdly slow - to the point where the almost abandonware Everything kicks MS ass. So we are left with only WSL.
Apple is kind of doing the same thing. It seems like every year they had a new OS. Now here we are, soon intel won’t be supported at all.
HELLO Linux Desktops, this is your chance to shine and glow. Stop the stupid infighting on unimportant issues and unite to offer something that is a no-brainer choice for Windows 10 refugees.
Very frustrated with Windows in general. I just discovered they are throttling my computer with Efficiency Mode on processes like Brave, Bruno, Cursor, etc.
It's like that Auto Shutoff they added to cars. Helps no one, and nobody wanted it. (Thanks Obama https://www.newsweek.com/automatic-start-stop-technology-new...)
I would be on Linux today if Steam OS came out properly for desktop. I'm ready to dip.
> So Microsoft decided to produce tons of e-waste for no obvious reason. There's a lot of capable hardware out there, and it would be of software company's interest to support as much hardware as possible.
The author then goes on to describe how he's just purchased 3 new Windows 11 licences... (indirectly via new computers)