The article claims T2Linux has "largely solved" the problem of Linux on T2 Macs. Is that true? I have a 2020 MBP with touch bar & 2 Thunderbolt ports. My reading of the T2Linux project sounded a lot more negative than that, but I'd love to be shown I'm wrong.
The interesting questions are:
- When will their toolset drop support for compiling for Intel / x86_64?
- When will they drop Rosetta2?
Compiling/delivering universal binaries is something that as a developer, especially for some markets, you’d like to keep. meaning we try to support older Macs as possible.
For Rosetta2, it might be less needed with all apps transitioned, but for developers using containers, it might be more important to have Intel based containers for a longer period.
At home, I am still on my Early 2015 MacBook Pro running latest macOS with OpenCore patcher. As long as you don't use Safari because Cloudflare think you are a bot it is mostly fine.
The problem with all MacBook after my generation is their keyboard sucks. They have some variant and tiny improvement every year but it still sucks. The 1.5mm key travel is about the minimum I could take. Both butterfly and new scissors, despite giving them time I never quite come to terms with it.
But I guess this is one more year of macOS and perhaps two more for Safari + security. 2028 will be the final deadline.
> the company did not try to force this transition to happen faster than it needed to.
> is ultimately unnecessary—and it would lead to a lot of good hardware ending up in landfills.
So this didn't need to happen at all
I appreciate them giving this kind of heads up; I'll be able to buy even cheaper used Intel machines much sooner.
Curious if anyone here is using Luna Display full-time to turn an Intel iMac into a monitor for a MacBook or Mac Mini. How has it worked for you?
Less arduous than gutting an iMac to turn it into a standalone monitor but seems highly likely the latency would feel annoying.
Which also marks the end of being able to run non-Arm based Windows on Macs natively.
This mentality is why I dont buy apple products. At least the unsupported macs can use linux at some point, but then I prefer to have a linux machine from the start.
Adding Another note to myself.
My Early 2015 Intel MacBook Pro has a GB6 Single Core of 974, and Multi Core 1931.
An Early 2025 M4 MacBook Air has a GB6 Single Core of 3700, and Multi Core 14600.
That is 3.7x faster at single core and ~7.5x faster in Multi Core over the span of 10 years. May be M5 is even faster.
On GPU Metal MBP 2015 is roughly ~5500 while 2025 M4 is roughly 55000. So 10x.
Edit: The M4 Pro has a TDP of 32W and PL2 of 40W. So not a very good comparison to Max 28W of Intel Core i5-5257U. But still adding it here.
M4 Pro GB6 3840, Multi Core 20400. Metal 105814.
That means people who bought an Intel-based Mac Pro in 2023 will only have gotten security updates for five years after purchase. Wow.
It's interesting how definitive some of these decisions are, while US administration may decide one day that Intel is strategically critical for the American economy, alongside its local fabrication sources, and apple and its respective manufacturing places may not be.
Some more earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44230509
Original title:
# The Exit Strategy // After two decades, Apple has announced its final version of MacOS for Intel. Guess that means Hackintoshing is done, too
Why the end of Hackintosh? Doesn’t Windows support ARM, so there should be machines that can support newer versions of MacOS…
I considered and bought Apple hardware when they transitioned to x86_64, since I run more than OSX systems. I’m not switching to Arm since I cannot run() non OSX systems. So their personal computer line is dead to me.
() I’m aware of Asahi Linux, but that is not what I run.
Really hope this doesn’t mean that Rosetta 2 is going away.
The marketing bullshit preceding the statement "and so, you can go fuck yourselves because we're dropping support for your laptop" is infuriating.
Huh, when did I miss the point that computers became phone/tablets that should be replaced every few years?
What's awful is all those imacs that can't be used as external displays. They used to have target display mode but that went away a long time ago. Such a waste.
Re both discontinuation of Windows 10 and Mac OS for Intel Macs: it is criminal that the two biggest corporations in the world cannot maintain softwares for millions of hardware units and force their untimely retirement.
- MacOS 26, also known as macOS Tahoe, will be the last version of the operating system to work on Macs powered by Intel Processors.
- Tahoe-supporting Intel Macs will get full access to all the new features, and they'll still get security updates for the next three years.
- By 2028, they'll be out of the Apple ecosystem.
- Intel-powered Macs that will support Tahoe include the 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro, the 2020 13-inch MacBook Pro, the 2020 27-inch iMac and the 2019 Mac Pro.
Maybe with this there's finally no need any longer to have those mile-wide 256 byte gaps between items in Metal uniform buffers :) (on iOS the alignment is just 16 bytes)
Also hopefully all the special-case handling for 'managed resources' can be dropped (but I guess that would also imply no longer supporting any external non-Apple GPUs).
I'm actually looking forward to a 3D-API that can fully focus on a single GPU architecture that's developed side-by-side with its 3D API - it will be a nice testing ground of what the future of 3D APIs could look like.