Air missile accident emerges as probable cause of Azerbaijan E190tragedy

by brataoon 12/25/2024, 9:25 PMwith 157 comments

by zmachinazon 12/25/2024, 10:37 PM

Just zooming into the tail section photo one can find on main stream media shows very suspicious signs of possible shrapnel hit ...

by imglorpon 12/26/2024, 1:20 AM

Blancolirio goes into some depth on the hydraulic systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J04wUKZUCI&pp=ygULYmxhbmNvb...

by rodaryon 12/26/2024, 12:01 AM

This is odd.

I'm from the area, near Grozny. If Grozny were under fog, there are at least 10 airports nearby (Makhachkala, Vladikavkaz, Nalchik, Minvody, Rostov, Krasnodar etc) in the North Caucasus. Why would you fly east, across the Caspian Sea, toward Kazakhstan?

by cynicalsecurityon 12/25/2024, 11:18 PM

> There is a possibility that the Azerbaijani passenger plane flying from Baku to Grozny was shot down by Russian air defense.

> At least, the holes in the tail section look like traces of the striking elements of an anti-aircraft missile.

> Surviving passenger of the plane Subhonkul Rakhimov said that the pilots tried to land the plane in Grozny three times: "The third time, something exploded. There was an explosion - I seemed to me that it was not inside the plane."

by ArturZhdanNon 12/25/2024, 10:59 PM

russia is a terrorist state

by echelonon 12/25/2024, 9:33 PM

There are videos of the crashed tail section that show shrapnel damage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0ijm/another_a...

There are videos filmed from within the cabin by the passengers showing shrapnel piercing clothing, limbs, seats, and more before the plane crashes.

https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1871952188383309872 (Holes in life vests)

https://www.reddit.com/r/world24x7hr/comments/1hm6prb/seats_... (Shrapnel damage)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/1hm4mf0/f... (Survivor before the plane crashes.)

(There are better videos, but I can't seem to find them again.)

There are reports that the plane was forced to divert course and fly over water after being hit. They were close to landing but were forced to reroute in the middle of their emergency.

More videos:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/1hlx7tc/c... (Crash. Other videos from other angles exist elsewhere online.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/world24x7hr/comments/1hm2ynv/shocki... (Tail section after crash)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/1hlxm7i/surviv... (Survivors exiting the tail section)

https://www.reddit.com/r/world24x7hr/comments/1hm7poq/miracl... (Survivor who filmed prior to the crash.)

I'll edit my comment with sources shortly.

by ahmedfromtunison 12/25/2024, 11:58 PM

In a weird coincidence, this morning I watched an old video about the Iranian airliner downed by a US missile in the Persian gulf. These accidents are just horrible.

by lutuspon 12/25/2024, 10:35 PM

> " ... as the Azerbaijan Airlines aircraft was approaching to land as scheduled."

Not as scheduled. The aircraft was diverted because of unacceptable weather at its primary destination -- https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjwl1e6895qo : "The plane was en route to Grozny in Russia but it was diverted due to fog, the airline told the BBC."

Just saying, not excusing a hostile takedown, if that's what happened.

Diversion due to weather is a possibility anticipated by pilots, who normally carry extra fuel to accommodate the possibility of a diversion.

Ironically, because of the advent of drone attacks, a small aircraft like the Embraer 190 is more likely to be mistaken for hostile, compared to a full-size airliner.

by brnton 12/25/2024, 11:13 PM

If I plot a line between Azerbaijan and Grozny, even if I go around the Caucasus over the Caspian, crashing in Kazakhstan seems way, way off.

by TechSquidTVon 12/25/2024, 11:18 PM

Don't worry. I'm sure we'll do nothing about it. Again.

by madihaaon 12/25/2024, 10:55 PM

I've never seen such a clear plane crash, shocking

by llamaimperativeon 12/25/2024, 9:54 PM

Russia: "Why does the world view us as either malicious or incompetent?"

Also Russia: Consistently fails to shoot down military aircraft and missiles, consistently shoots down passenger jets, consistently lies about both

by neomon 12/25/2024, 11:37 PM

I'm not sure if i'm reading this correctly or not, but the telegraph seems to report that the oxygen tank exploded? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/25/azerbaijan...