27% of New Cars in France Now Plugin Electric Cars

by grammerson 11/29/2023, 6:51 PMwith 49 comments

by toomuchtodoon 11/29/2023, 7:36 PM

> In October, pure electrics once again outsold PHEVs — 63% share of the plugin market vs. 37% — keeping the BEV share at 64% vs. 36% PHEV in 2023. This represents a slight increase of 2% of BEV share compared to the final 2022 result (64% vs. 62%). Added to the also slight increase in plugin share, this could mean that the French plugin market has reached the ceiling of what current models can offer — and new, cheaper EVs will be needed to break it open further in order for the EV transition to reach new heights.

by nottorpon 11/29/2023, 9:54 PM

I wonder. Isn't that because poor people can't buy even new cheap cars these days?

So the share of electrics is there because only the rich early adopters have bought a new car lately.

by tibbydudezaon 11/29/2023, 9:50 PM

Rather surprised by the sales of the MG 4 , a Chinese make - they bought the remains of MG Rover (MG=Morris Garage) when they went bust in the UK.

It looks rather nice for a subcompact SUV - reminds me a Corolla based Cross.

by ZeroGravitason 12/1/2023, 9:24 AM

This tool shows that an EV in France pays back it's carbon debt and overtakes gasoline after 10,000Km (roughly 1 year).

https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/how-clean-are-...

It also lets you change country and various other parameters e.g. compare with diesel or hybrids.

Two other interesting things I noticed:

1.It lets you choose where the battery is made (China Vs EU average Vs Sweden) and it has relatively little impact.

2. It lets you choose solar panels instead of a national grid, and France's grid almost exactly matches the figure they use.

by dm319on 11/29/2023, 8:23 PM

What are you people in France paying for electricity at the moment?

by russellbeattieon 11/29/2023, 11:40 PM

In the first nine months of 2023, electric vehicles accounted for 21.5% of cars sold in California (7.4% nationwide). Apparently we're ahead of schedule to get to 100% before 2035 when ZEV will be mandatory.

by GuB-42on 11/30/2023, 12:57 AM

Some consideration.

There is a tax in France called "malus écologique" that depends on CO2 emissions, and it keeps raising. In 2024, it may become more expensive than the car itself, up to 60k€.

But for plug-in hybrids (>50km range), you don't have to pay that tax. So if you want a gas guzzler, buy the plug-in hybrid version.

by elkoson 11/30/2023, 4:02 AM

Do we count the Citroen ami as a car or not?