Partying over Internet: Technological Aspects

by rumcajzon 4/5/2020, 7:11 AMwith 44 comments

by snikchon 4/6/2020, 12:41 AM

I've been thinking about this too. In fact I've started hacking on an app to solve this for my group of friends. To me the two primary issues are:

1. Sub groups without losing the context of the full group. I want to focus on a set of people and chat with them while also aware of what other groups are around. I want to be able to bring people into these groups at will. This also adds a gamification aspect where you can adjust groups, i.e. randomly mix, mix people who haven't talked to each other yet etc.

2. Multi monitor. I want to see everyone and real estate is limited on a single screen. I should be able to add multiple windows or computers to my chat and have everyone spread across those windows. Only one window / computer will submit video and audio for me though.

by blhackon 4/5/2020, 10:20 PM

We’ve been running “dial up dance parties” in Phoenix for the last few weeks. A DJ streams music to a zoom hangout, and people dance in front of their camera. The magic bit is that there is a new curation job beyond djing: curating who is be “spotlighted” at the current time. So my and my wife’s job (we have been organizing and promoting these parties) is to watch all of the participants and pick out who should get spotlighted.

It’s been a LOT of fun and has been growing quickly. Our last party had about 40 people in it and every time we do it we know fewer of the people who show up.

by stagason 4/6/2020, 3:32 AM

There are two types of partying: raving and clubbing.

Clubbing, is for extroverts who enjoy socializing and being on the spotlight. Clubs have lots of lights, people dress in shiny colors and seek to bring attention to themselves. Camera sharing is the ideal format for this.

Raving, is for introverts. The setting is dark, people wear black and usually prefer to be left on their own and focus internally and in the music. It's a way to enjoy a social situation without being overwhelmed by the crowd. Avatars and virtual worlds is the ideal format for this.

Of course, I am generalizing here but I'm simply trying to make a point. An extrovert will not enjoy a setting where they can't draw attention to themselves. An introvert will not enjoy a setting where being in the spotlight is the default mode.

Speaking only by my own experience as being an introvert-extrovert and attending both clubs and raves I can tell you that there is minimal overlap in the crowds. A different type of people is in clubs and a different type of people is in raves. Generalizing both as "partying" is confusing, at least.

by drewbeckon 4/6/2020, 4:34 AM

Super interesting, thanks!

I’ve been doing zoom teleparties for a few weeks now and they’re really kind of magical. I started when I had to cancel one of my IRL dance parties and we thought we’d give it a go. As a meatspace party promoter and DJ i was really surprised at how successful these are, and how much of the real life party vibe translates. At our peak we had 160 or so zoom guests and you really felt that presence!

With the apps we have now social interactions are limited to chat and physical communication (lots of people will mirror folks’ movements, which is always a joy). There’s so much you can do.

I’ve got a ton of ideas and sketches for a real online party and event app — a kind of perfect blend of my UX life and my party life. I’d love to work on it if I could find some folks with web conferencing experience.

by gfodoron 4/5/2020, 10:31 PM

Consider using avatar chat, which has been shown to be able to deliver social presence, esp w VR.

https://extendedmind.io/blog/2020/3/20/video-conferencing-wo...

Example of a house party thrown in hubs: https://www.facebook.com/1365390312/posts/10216647011272117/...

by dhosekon 4/5/2020, 9:43 PM

A lot of in-person interaction for groups is just not possible with most (all?) conferencing solutions, e.g., sidebar discussions. Some of this can be handled through texts (which are an occasional solution in in-person meetings as well—in grad school, I was occasionally in group texts mocking the person speaking to our class), although there's the danger that messages might pop up inopportunely while screen sharing (this happened to a co-worker of my wife's during a presentation once).

And of course, there's always this: "Leaving your mic on is the new reply-all."

by bluemooneron 4/5/2020, 10:10 PM

I enjoyed this a lot! It identified a problem and explored a couple of aspects of the solution. It's really fun to think about designing such a product. Even though there seem to be some technical roadblocks in the way, I would love to use an app like this!

by Geeflowon 4/6/2020, 6:42 AM

I recently stumbled upon Airmeet[1]. It's not really for birthday parties, more like networking events. Still, I find the concept intriguing.

They offer a kind of socializing space. It is organized by virtual tables. Each table holds up to 4 participants via webcam. That way you do not have the typical issue of large zoom calls where only a few people can talk at a time. You get a lot smaller conversations much like a real networking event.

They seem to be still starting out, so there are a few issues. But I hope they iron them out. The concept seems really promising.

[1]: https://www.airmeet.com/

by oskensoon 4/6/2020, 6:15 AM

I'm really surprised no one has brought up VRChat. Though the hardware requirement may be a steeper barrier to entry, the software is free (non libre) and the experience is unlike any other

by chimprichon 4/6/2020, 9:04 AM

What I'd like in an online party platform is a shared social area divided into conversations you can join. This is for both social bandwidth and network bandwidth. In real life conversations naturally form and fork off into new ones.

This needs to be more than just separate channels for it to work well. There should be some bleeding of audio between adjacent conversations, and maybe some limited video. I'm thinking perhaps "avatars" of people that get updated once a minute with their current video feed so you can look around the shared social area and get an idea of what is going on and have some sort of shared atmosphere. Maybe a shared background music track?

by lukeschlatheron 4/5/2020, 11:55 PM

Zoom's gallery view and pin video solves some of the problems with Hangouts discussed in the article. I like the idea of somehow building cabaceo into the app, although I think something simpler might be preferable (E.g. right-click on person, request to create breakout room.) I think Zoom kind of has this but it seems like only hosts can create break-out rooms, and they have to turn it on or something.

by danbmil99on 4/5/2020, 10:53 PM

There's always Second Life

by cemkozinogluon 4/5/2020, 11:36 PM

https://catch.social

We've been building this ;) will launch soon.

by aantixon 4/6/2020, 12:59 AM

TurnTable Live was out briefly (after TurnTable.fm closed).

I always thought it had a really cool party atmosphere for concerts. Here's a video of a concert that I took. No audio, unfortunately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08SvwB9S53U

by fonosipon 4/5/2020, 10:49 PM

A party app to fight the virus. https://ba.net/screen-share-party

by arketypon 4/6/2020, 6:05 AM

Imagine if everybody wore head cams. You could end up with complex strange loops reflecting intimacy and eye contact of an inverted kind.